Someone who kills a child born alive despite an abortion is depraved. Someone who kills a child 5 minutes before the child is born is also depraved. I don't give a monkey's whether the child is born or not, it's a distinction without a difference. Barack Obama says he'd have voted to make it illegal to kill babies born alive despite an abortion except that the bill's text didn't neutralize the implications with respect to Roe v Wade. This is sophistry on stilts, but put that aside. It turns out that this depraved bullshitter lied even about that.